The False Dutch Gable

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  • #13598
    SDSSDS
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    Well…I dunno if it really has a name but it reminds me of a dutch hip roof, if the foreshortened part of the roof were removed. It’s really all about the siding treatment though…how the body portion elevates above the eaves line, shortening the gable portion above it…then there was that belly band piece of trim to contend with as well.

    the client was dead set on this look…

    It took me quite a while to figure out how to model it…considering the gables were being fussy to begin with and either wouldn’t display surfaces and/or the damned walls wouldn’t extend to roof.

    The main 9′ tall wall has the board & batt + the lap siding wainscot

    Above that is a 20-1/2″ tall wall (on a different location ‘Roof’) forming the lower portion of the gable.
    This wall is broken into 3 segments, the center section is set to height, with the belly band as crown trim. the end sections are set to slope to roof, Board & batt siding is applied to match the wall below.

    The upper gable portion is also on the ‘Roof’ location…I could only get one surface to work right out of all these gables so most of them are an elevated wall (above the 20-1/2″ wall) set to extend to roof, with the cedar shake siding applied.

    All walls were created ‘out of plane’ from the main gable wall, then nudged into place after fixing their heights, etc.

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    #13603
    Jkzimmjkzimm
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    Very nicely done SDS.  I hope the owner is happy…

    Just wondering on the left double gable / layout. My question is about the ‘back’ Gable walls you used. You state roof is on new  location.

    I my test layout / with only roof on, I was able to get a similar back gable wall result by using a Gable / Surface to fill in the full Gable.

    Then add  wall on the Ground level that fills in up to the needed lower Gable wall height.

    I broke that wall so the end could be sloped. The balance of the wall was just raised to mimic your height and crown molding added.

    Is that the method you used at the back gable.?

    Nice job in getting it to work for you. Thanks for posting. Things like this is what makes the forum work !!!

    Jack

    zimmerdesign.com

     

     

    • This reply was modified 9 months ago by Jkzimmjkzimm.
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    #13606
    Conweconwe
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    Good Job SDS,

    That left gable catches my eye to. Was that drawn with a surface or roof command?

    Conrad

    #13608
    SDSSDS
    Participant

    In the first pic attached here, with roof…you can see what the gable does when I use the gable surface function in the roof properties….why it forces the back gable surface to go all charlie manson on me is a mystery I encounter often.

    The second pic attached, without roof, shows how the gables were ‘built’ using elevated and broken walls to get the sloped shoulders look to it.

    For the one gable that did work properly, I’ve still got the elevated broken wall with the end slopes…but I’ve simply raised the bearing of the gable surface rather than added a 3rd wall at the gable peak. It was the first one I did and I was rather frustrated none of the other gables wanted to play nice.

    Generally, not always though, I prefer to do these sort of things on a separate location if possible…it eliminates the issues with walls wanting to snap to intersections, etc when overlaying/elevating them atop each other on the same locations.

    To be honest though…this was all guess work here!

    Now if only the client is happy with it…we’ve been battling the look here for several months now.

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    #13611
    Jkzimmjkzimm
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    Thanks for the clarification SDS. As long as it works , that is what counts.

    I have a suggestion for appearance, see if you can find a different roofing material. It appears to be tile roofing but the pattern takes away from the overall rendering. If it is tile, in materials, Roof Tile 11 ,which is grey works pretty good, when you set Intensity down to .60 or less.

    Jack

     

    #13612
    SDSSDS
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    Thanks for the clarification SDS. As long as it works , that is what counts.

    I have a suggestion for appearance, see if you can find a different roofing material. It appears to be tile roofing but the pattern takes away from the overall rendering. If it is tile, in materials, Roof Tile 11 ,which is grey works pretty good, when you set Intensity down to .60 or less.

    Jack

    The roofing material I’m using is found in Roofing – Generic > Shingle 14…it’s just a 3-tab asphalt shingle material, not tile. I don’t see Intensity in the edit material dialog?

    All during this job I’ve been biting my tongue over the damned reflective grass…the horizontal lap siding is light grey but for some reason, in every render, the program ‘reflects’ a green shade onto the model and it comes out pale green…drives me nuts.

    #13613
    Jkzimmjkzimm
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    When you go to material properties, you can click on the material itself, which opens dialog where you can size the tiling of the image

    When you go to Settings / Document Settings > Terrian, you can click on the Grass material selection and also lower it’s intensity. This may help with the radiosity the grass is giving out.

    Jack

     

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    #13616
    SDSSDS
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    When you go to material properties, you can click on the material itself, which opens dialog where you can size the tiling of the image

    When you go to Settings / Document Settings > Terrian, you can click on the Grass material selection and also lower it’s intensity. This may help with the radiosity the grass is giving out.

    Jack

    Hey Thanks Jack! I’ll mod that render and post an update

    #13619
    Conweconwe
    Participant

    Hey SDS,

    Try this grass i really like it. I think you should be able to download the jpeg file and use it. i also attached my settings for this particular grass.

    Conrad

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    #13622
    SDSSDS
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    Jack, I really appreciate it but it did not fix the issue…I tried changing the same ‘intensity’ setting for the siding also, but no luck, just darker siding tinted green.

    Attached is a screencap of the render screen moved so you can see the pre-render view on the left and the post-render view on the right. It really shows how bad this green grass reflection is…this is with your grass & settings too.

    I even dropped the Intensity down to 0 or 1 (I don’t remember which) on the grass and it produced basically black grass…but at least there were no reflections!!!

    It seems to be in the grass samples

    BTW, I reduced all other rendering settings down to 5…electrical lights, tree & billboard, etc…no effect.

    *Throws hands up in the air*

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    #13624
    Conweconwe
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    Just a thought did you check to make sure the reflective is at 0 for the siding and that it isn’t the sidings settings.??

    Conrad

    #13625
    SDSSDS
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    Just a thought did you check to make sure the reflective is at 0 for the siding and that it isn’t the sidings settings.??

    Conrad

    I did, just to eliminate it from the equation. If you look closely you can see its reflecting over everything, clear up into the eaves. It’s on the blue siding too it’s just not as obvious as when it’s on a white-ish color

    #13627
    Conweconwe
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    SDS,

    You will be able to match that a little closer if you lower the texture intensity on the your two siding (board -n- batten). Cause usually when you do a render it will appear lighter than it did before but if you lower the texture intensity on the siding it will be darker and maybe hide some of the color change.

    Conrad

    #13628
    SDSSDS
    Participant

    Well I’ve spent the morning running through a whole slew of rendering option combinations in an attempt to remove the grass reflecting onto the house…

    The ONLY option that worked was when I reduced the grass’ Texture Intensity to 0 (black grass) When I do that I get no green reflections in the facade.

    I even checked settings in one of their sample .bld files and tried those with no luck…yes, even theirs had a nice green sheen reflected into the eaves of the Beach House sample I rendered.

    How about it Cadsoft? You guys reading this?

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