October 6, 2020 at 12:09 am #13141JRVParticipant
I upgraded from Pro Architect 2 to Pro Architect 15. In the process, discovered that renderings now take WAAAYYYYYY longer. A 15-minute PA2 rendering is now a 90-minute PA15 rendering…with the same 3D TrueView options, on the same PC.
From what I can see from the material properties in the Library Manager, the big difference added somewhere between 2 and 15 is the added rendering goodness of bump maps.
Bump maps in Envisioneer! Yayyy!! Used to be if a material was even a tiny bit reflective, it might as well be a mirror. Happily, those days are gone.
I’d like to be able to turn off bump maps (and/or anything else that’s keeping me from doing 15 minute renderings), because the rendering workflow goes like this–
- Generate a quick, low-quality rendering to catch the uglies we missed in 2D or non-rendered 3D.
- Fix the uglies.
- Generate another quick, low-quality rendering to catch more uglies and make sure the 1st batch of uglies are fixed.
- Repeat as required.
- Generate high-quality rendering. Overnight, if needed.
Please add a “Use Bump Maps” checkbox to the 3D RealView/Options dialog.
October 7, 2020 at 4:49 pm #13145
- This topic was modified 3 weeks ago by JRV.
Just wanted to comment on this to. Yes i did notice that the renders do take longer, part of that i think is also the new trees and the small bush and the flowers maybe but i wouldn’t trade them. But i turn the Ray Trace Quality to 5 (both the level and anti-aliasing) then i set the render size to 1024 x 768 this render takes approximately 4 min. 30 sec., i do not put in any landscaping until my house is done, i like to do short renders to check for problems and also colors, after i think that everything is good then i add landscaping. that is when i do the final renders and increase the size which increases the time by not a little but a lot. Version 15 did increase the time by quite a bit on my current computer. But I’m getting a new custom built computer which is built specifically for this type of work and is made for speed and quality. (did a test on it)And it does a render in anywhere 4 to maybe 8 times as fast the longer the render the faster it is exam. a 4min. on my current on is 1 min. on my new one. a 24. min render on my is roughly 4 min. on my new one. So if you want to do high quality stuff and it takes to long i would recommend getting a computer built for it.
ConradOctober 8, 2020 at 8:03 pm #13147JRVParticipant
A matter of perspective, Conrad.
You are doing this for a living and there’s ROI for you in investing in a fire-breathing rendering machine. Awesome!
I’m an ex-architect who dips my toe in the architectural waters every 5-7 years when the remodel bug hits. There’s zero ROI for me for anything but a productivity-software-oriented computer. Office 365, Quicken, QuickBooks, and the like.
Others that might be in my situation are hobbyists, students, architects just starting out. That last group is one that Cadsoft would do well to court.
The very fact that all the other time vs. quality variables are present in the Options dialog box make clear there should be a checkbox for bump maps joining them.
Other options: Let me install on 2 computers so I can tie up my 7 year old laptop with renderings while I use my Surface for other things. And/or split off the rendering part into a separate executable–can be command line if necessary–and let me run that on the other computer in batch mode. Back in my architect days there was a 3D program our rendering guy used that let him set up a rendering farm at night on PCs whose users had gone home. (486’s and Pentiums in those days!) Same idea. (The rendering farm feature can follow in a later version 🙂 This same program, BTW, allowed bump maps to be turned off for “quick” renders. Can’t remember the name of it any more.
I’m OK with waiting for a “final” rendering, just need options to make a “quick” rendering quick, within the software.
Finally, I worked with support on this a week or so ago. They rendered my model in a few minutes less than an hour on their computers. My computer was right at an hour. That tells me I really shouldn’t invest in a computer with more video RAM, which is what they said the issue was. (I have a Surface Pro 7; video card is not upgradeable.) You evidently had a different experience. I set all the options to lowest/fastest values; perhaps the difference would be larger with higher/slower settings.October 9, 2020 at 7:43 am #13150
I have 2 computers side by side…both built at the same time, essentially the same machines with two large differences…
1 has windows 10 and an office-grade video card
1 has windows 7 and an gaming-grade video card.
The video cards are the same mfg/ram…just different models
Guess which one renders in five minutes and which one renders in 5 hours?October 9, 2020 at 9:11 am #13151
for some reason i can not answer this post it just blocks me. will try editing this and post my reply to jrv like this for some reason it does not let reply to your post.
Yes Jrv i totally understand, I wouldn’t even have thought about it if i wouldn’t be that i’m doing a lot of renderings. It’s just that like right now i have quite a few projects (around a dozen) that will be getting 4 high quality exterior shots these are advertising projects that will be go online so i want to get a very good quality pics of them. and its just that it takes to long for my current computer, and with 48 ext. renders and by letting it run over night it would take 48 nights which is to long, it will require some day time renders and i just thought it makes sense for me to get a good one that will crank them out fast. And i wouldn’t have done it either if most of my work would be doing floor plans and not 3D.
October 9, 2020 at 9:17 am #13152
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SDS I’m guessing the windows 7 gaming-grade video card. How much RAM? even though it makes me scratch my head cause 5 min. is fast.
But i do have to say I’m curious what quality render do both of you do for a high quality pic like what is the size you set it to.
I would love it if they could set it up that you could place like 4 cameras of your choice, like one on every side of the house and you could place all 4 of them in a waiting list , preset the desired location and make sure everything is right and then hit start and it would render all 4 (one at a time)and save them to a default folder where you could get them out of and rename them and save them to your project folder. just a dream prolly but it would be something to add to a future version 16 wishlist.
ConradOctober 9, 2020 at 5:45 pm #13154
Win 7 machine is an 64bit i7 2600 @ 3.4mhz with 16gb RAM
Video card is an AMD Radeon RX560 with 4gb RAM (its basically equivalent to an nVidia GTX 1050)
My default settings for render are screencapped below. I usually render with a white background/terrain.
Exteriors usually go easy…something like 10-20 minute run time (going from memory)
Interiors I fight endlessly and take MUCH longer to render a shot. On the order of an hour+ and I have to set it up quite differently, scene-wise…(same render settings though)
I only use my renders for ‘WYSIWYG’ shots so the client can see what it will look like…very seldom are they for marketing/advertising and so image quality is not quite the concern it would otherwise be.
It is not uncommon, when in a hurry, to simply ‘frame’ a shot, set the view to ‘realistic’ and ctrl+printscreen the shot rather than actually render it…
You must be logged in to access attached files.October 9, 2020 at 6:09 pm #13156
I knew my memory was sketchy so I ran a render through of a model I did fully in PA13 (no photoshop background)
…a bit over 4 minutes, I’ve included a screen shot of the settings too since they were slightly different than what I’d posted previously.
You must be logged in to access attached files.October 13, 2020 at 2:30 pm #13166louisacoParticipant
I will add the multiple cameras in rendering queue and turn off bump maps to the features wish list.
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