A challenge in Envisioneer

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  • #14031
    Conweconwe
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    Hey I’m wondering who would like to be creating this type of houses in Envisioneer. Pics that my cousin took while touring other countries and i found them very fascinating. And i couldn’t help but wonder if i’d live there and would be designing houses in envisioneer how would it be to create a shingle rock roof and houses in such tight quarters underground? Would be a challenge.

    But I’d like to do a test any idea how i could go about making a roof like that any suggestions??

    Conrad

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    #14036
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    G’day Conrad!
    What country?
    I’m trying to figure the logo’s etched into the safety rail in your 3rd photo!
    Does the first say “It’s OK to lean on me”?
    avagr8day
    Merv

    #14037
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    Chimneys should be a piece of cake!
    draw a circle, convert to walls, then put a roof on (by perimeter) that has a flat section with overhang but then changes to a curved roof with starting pitch greater than the first section & ending pitch of ZERO . .
    Several openings near the top of the wall . . .
    Shall have to try it after the grandies leave later today . . .

    #14040
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    For some reason when v15 offers me the 3 options for Add/Edit Segment for Surface 2 in a Custom Roof Shape (Straight, Gable or Circular) I can select Gable or Circular but neither is applied.

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    #14043
    Conweconwe
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    Merv,

    The first two pics are in Spain and then the pic 3 is in Switzerland.

    Not sure what that says and you might be right about “It’s ok to lean on me” That pic was taken taken out of a public Transportation of some sort, Don’t know why it stopped so close to the house though.

    That’s weird i didn’t get around to play with it yet but hopefully tomorrow i get a chance to play with it. I don’t think i ever even tried the circle roof out.

    Conrad

    #14093
    Conweconwe
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    Merv, a mansard roof.

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    #14101
    Conweconwe
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    Hey Merv,

    Forgot to add the reason your roof did not work at 0.00 pitch is because you can’t do that. try .10 that worked for me.

    Conrad

    #14103
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    G’day Conrad!
    That never used to be a problem. More than a decade ago I designed a home and hanger in an aviation village in the Whitsundays. Both had wave-shaped roofs. All 4 arched segments ended with slope=0. This meant the user had to actually calculate the RL at which the “lip” of the wave pitched.

    I asked that Cadsoft remove the limitation of not being able to enter a NEGATIVE slope at the end of a curved roof but it seems I’ll be waiting a while yet!

    Note also that v15 wouldn’t even let me proceed to the dialogue where the user has to specify start slope & end slope. I’ve been too busy to follow up on this

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    #14106
    Conweconwe
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    Merv,

    Yea that would be very helpful, I would be a big fan of that especially when the roof comes down on a second floor (floor system) and the fascia should be lower but you can’t because it won’t let you. so then you either have to convert to surfaces or move the roof to the first floor, and I’m trying to practice with surfaces but I’m not the best with it yet. can get kinda complicated with a big roof but it’s definitly the way to go. you can do some amazing roofs that way.

    Conrad

    #14108
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    G’day Conrad!
    I fail to see how being able to specify a negative end slope for a curved roof segment would help your situation.
    If end slope > start slope, curve will be convex
    If end slope < start slope, the curve will be concave (eg barrel vault)

    #14110
    Conweconwe
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    Hello Merv,

    No i was actually talking about a hip roof (rafters) coming down on a 2×6 plate that is on top of  floor system (for attic or storage room pretty common occurence for me)  and for a 12 pitch roof that means the faceboard will be down 12″ farther and without converting to surface i can’t get the right Fascia distant. because it won’t let me adjust it down further. And maybe that doesn’t happen to you guys and I’m not doing it right.

    Conrad

    #14113
    FynrDzynrFynrDzynr
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    G’day Conrad!
    For an attic I’d pitch the roof from the main level. That can make placing dormers & supporting walls a little more challenging though.
    I’d be interested to hear how other designers get around it.
    avagr8day
    Merv

    #14121
    Conweconwe
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    Merv,

    Yes i like to put the roof on the main level to. but it stinks with dormers cause (and most cases there are at least 2 or 3 cause 1 doesn’t do much for the appearance) and then you have to make walls windows invisible on 2d floor plan or sometimes i figure out the exact location and cut a hole in the roof and put a dormer in by myself instead of using dormers tool (takes longer).

    I would like to here more input on this to.

    Conrad

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