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[FynrDzynr]

G'day Allan!
Click on the link gives me an error and Save link Target wants to save index.php
Can you zip the bld & see if that works?
Merv

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Merv,

Maybe the BLD attachment did not work properly becasue Env was still open and attached to the file still. Saved, closed (just in case) and zipped.

Allan

[FynrDzynr]

Firstly, it seems there's an issue with the pitching line.
Note where your break line starts - not at the outside face of the frame . . .
My experience has shown that it's always wise to grab each node that denotes the intersection of the pitching lines & drag them out to the corner of the frame/plate.
Note that in the 3rd image I've dragged the node and moved your break line to the outside of the plate. I then used it to break the wall at that point so I'd have an endpoint to snap to. I also mirrored your break line using the midpoint of the left end wall.
to be continued . . .

[FynrDzynr]

Should have mentioned earlier, DISABLE GRIDSNAP . . . you never know for sure what you're snapping to . .

Dragged the re-entrant corner of the pitching line into place after dragging the nodes for your gable out to the ends of the construction lines.
I have a dimstyle defined specifically for this purpose. If I move the pitching line back 784mm, theoretically Env will generate the roof correctly . . .

Rt-click over the green arrow, Move Edge - Maintain Support Height - pick a point well to the right of the roof, in Commander type 784 TAB 180
Seems there must be a difference in overhangs . . . . No!
Set my units precision to #.#
Now see the actual wall parameters! and you thought you were working in metric . . .
Seems we can move the pitching line back another 120.7
120 will be close enough methinks. Checked that little fascia and it's currently 121.2 long (that adds up, considering we moved the pitching line to within 0.5mm of the exterior face.

But Env still can't get the top of the valleys right . . . maybe time to delete the roof & start again, this time by picking points.
dinner time . . .

[CB]

Allan, try this template. I couldn't achieve a gable with the template you supplied.The green roof poitching line couldn't be selected, and the wall was following the mouse a few steps behind when I was drawing it. The building works in this one.
With apologies to Merv. I hadn't closely read your previous not about same. I'll go back and have a read

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Chris,

Your BLD file is a perfect example of how this is not working. The way you have done it is exactly what I do but in your case you have the wall set to AutoExtend so there is not a problem - that will work.
The problem is when you want to have a different gable texture, hence have the walls set to level and turn on the Display Gable.

As you can see in the image from your file both problems mentioned earlier are evident:
1. The Gable shoots out through the roof.
2. The fascia on this edge of the roof is not there. (It was not there before I turned the gable on either).

I did not manipulate your file in any way except the turn the Gable display on and give it a texture as it could not be seen against the white background (white for me - maybe I do not have your background image).

Try turning Display Gable om and see if you get the same result.

Merv,

My example was just draw the walls, click in a roof (by perimeter), draw a line to align with the opposite roof, insert a break on the line and set that edge to Gable with the Display Gable ticked. Any missalignment of the roof with the walls has come about from me fiddling later.

Just in case, I switched to Imperial catalogue and UOM and did a new one, exactly the same result and that is with the roof and walls aligning using Roof by Perimeter. Unless I drag that gable edge of the roof right out, the gable fill will always go through the roof and the Fascia will vanish. This is the same in Imperial and Metric in Envisioneer7.2 and TFP16

I will wait until you finish dinner... 

Allan

[FynrDzynr]

G'day Allan!
Didn't matter how I picked the 8 points, clockwise, anticlockwise, start at a re-entrant corner or an external corner, Envisioneer couldn't get the intersection of the 2 valleys correct. Until it gets all the planes right I see no point trying to fix the gable.
So I built the main roof first, set both ends as gables (fascia depth =200) Move both gable end pitching lines out 125 & reduce their overhang to 475 so the gable surface doesn't show a ledge at the top of the wall.
I then broke the fascia in 2 places and dragged the appropriate section out to where the 3rd gable will be.
But as soon as I tried to square it up Envisioneer decided an extra long valley was required.
Sorry but I have to call it a night - been on the go since 3am. Hopefully I can watch State of Origin tomorrow as well as get to the bottom of this.
Merv

[Jack Zimmer]

What happens when you draw the building 'flipped' with the L facing down on page instead of up.  It seems when I use your file and draw down I do not get the Gable flairing. I am also drawing the building starting in the left corner, going down, then across to the right, then down to start the L / across and back up (gable break side.)

Bottom line is that if changing the way the building is drawn fixes the Gable Flair, it still doesn't solve the problem of filling the Gable end. Adding a second wall is the solution. That is just the way roofs behave.

Jack

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Jack,

I tried drawing the roof anticlockwise and the gable did not extend through the roof, however it was not there at all until the gable was extended out beyond the edge of the eaves, so not much use.

I did a step by step move of the gable edge while looking up at the eaves, to see what happens.
This is what I found:

1. When the Break is inserted and the Gable Display turned on, the Fascia and Soffit are OK but the gable extends through the roof as we found.

2. Move it out slightly and the gable extension is till there but now the Fasia and Soffit vanish on the 'extension' side of the gable.

3. Move it level with the edge of the eaves on the rest of the roof and the Fascia and Soffit reappear.

4. Move it further out and the gable 'extension' disappears. Great ... but...

At this point the gable and hip fascias are well out of line and a big horizontal gap exists between the gable and the wall so that is not a viable solution.`

It appears to me that there is a problem here and no solution exists in the way it is drawn.
Adding an extra wall in front to extend into the gable as you suggested, or using a mini wall on a second floor, seem to be the only practical workarounds to get a different texture in the gable in this type of roof.

Allan